Pic collecting and eye stalking – what next?

(Apologies if this has posted twice… somehow it reverted to draft form…)

I’ve been gone from the blog for a bit as Handsome spent a chunk of the last two weeks in an intensive program in LA and I took the opportunity to try to have a few days where his SA was not the focus of my world. He’s back home now and I had my debriefing with the doctor who ran the intensive.

On the bright side, he said that Handsome was fully engaged in the intensive, put a lot of thought and effort into the homework, showed up every day on time and ready to participate, and he feels like Handsome’s prognosis is good if he continues to do his recovery work. Terrific, right? That’s what I had hoped to hear. No complaints there. I’m truly proud of Handsome for that because I know it was incredibly difficult for him and yet he went “all in” with the program.

The doctor ran me through a lot of information that Handsome had shared during the intensive and although there were a few childhood things I wasn’t aware of, the acting out and affair activity was essentially exactly as Handsome had disclosed to me… with two exceptions.  The doctor was running through the list of Handsome’s acting out behaviors and I was almost tuning out because the list is long and hurtful, and then I heard “…pic collecting, blah blah blah, eye stalking, blah blah blah… .” Wait, what? I had to ask him to go back and read those two to me again. And then, because I am apparently the world’s most ill-informed spouse of a sex addict, I had to ask him to explain to me what those two things are.

Per Urban Dictionary:

Pic collector – A leery anonymous person who replies to your personal ad for the sole purpose of collecting your pics to inflate his or her poor ego. An encounter with a pic collector is always short and obnoxiously one-sided.

Eye stalking – The act of stalking with one’s eyes. [duh]

The eye stalking was not particularly surprising and, in the scheme of things, kind of low down on Handsome’s acting out totem pole. Troubling (and sad and pathetic) for sure, but I didn’t consider the omission of it from prior disclosures to be a crisis.

The “pic collecting” though is a bit of another story. Whose pics?  Where were they from? Was he talking about the pics from the Whore? Those I knew about for sure, but were there others? I learned that this is one of those situations where Handsome didn’t overtly lie to me, but rather he left out a part of the story that makes him look bad.

Knowing that he had signed up for Seeking Arrangements and failed at that endeavor, I grilled him about his use of Craigslist and Backpage. He admitted to visiting both intermittently but insisted that it was for work (prostitution stings and the like). He and his colleagues would reply to ads from women and try to determine if they were hooking out of houses in town and, if so, they’d try to shut them down. That may be true – or not, time will tell – but what he failed to mention is that he would keep the pictures that he was sent in communicating with those women. I can guess what he did with them.

So, I went there… against my better judgment, I asked why he did this. His reply, which I think was honest, was “Because I wanted to look at real women.” That crushed me. Forced the air from my lungs. He said what he said, but what I hear in my head is “Because I wanted to look at real women other than you.” It’s not as if I was absent, gone away, missing. Nope. I was there in our house virtually every single day of our marriage, including the times when Handsome was indulging his addiction while I was struggling with a full-time job, two kids, an aging parent suffering from complex grief, and a checked out husband. Clothed, naked, whatever… he could have looked at me, but he made repeated decisions to look elsewhere.

Would I have been more real if I posted titty photos online? If I had time to troll for men on sites like Craigslist and Backpage? If anonymous sex was my thing? I don’t think so. I certainly feel pretty real each day when my alarm clock goes off and I get the kids clothed and fed and off to school and I head for my job, to return home ten or eleven hours later to wrap up the day and return the kids to bed, ensure our bills are paid, and check that my mom is okay. To me, that’s the definition of reality.

Therein lies the rub… as I’m discovering more and more, my sex addict husband’s reality is very different from what I consider to be actual reality. I don’t (or didn’t) exist in any real way in his land of pornography, masturbation, physical affairs, emotional affairs, voyeurism, sexting, pic collecting, eye stalking, etc. etc. There, I’m not his Wife who loves him and finds him handsome and sexy and who supports him no matter what and is just waiting for him to get through his midlife crisis, or get his head out of his ass, and be a good husband and father again. No. In that land, I’m simply the “Boss Lady”  or the uncaring wife who denies him sex that he’s entitled to gosh darn it. (Because he’s such a great catch, of course… once you ignore the drinking, screaming, and cheating… whose panties wouldn’t just fall to the floor?) Forget that he was never, ever denied sex… that fact doesn’t fit his story.

I would love a break from reality. It would be glorious to stick my head in the sand or put on my noise cancelling headphones and drown out all the SA chatter around me with white noise. I can’t do that, however, and neither can Handsome if this marriage is going to work. He’s had at least a five-year break from reality. It’s time for him to join me in this delightful mess we call married life, both in the highs and lows of it, the fun and the sad, exciting and boring, but above all things, real. Hopefully he can gain (or re-gain) an interest in collecting pictures from our family’s happy life instead of those of random sad, broken strangers online.

5 thoughts on “Pic collecting and eye stalking – what next?”

  1. Betrayedwife, I am sorry you have to go through this. The pain of betrayal is so raw, and finding out new and new things, becoming familiar with argo you never knew existed, it’s like pouring salt in the wound. It satiates your world so much so that you almost forget about the life before SA bombed the shit out of your little personal universe. It is great that your husband is working his recovery, and I wish you two the strength to walk the path towards something better and easier and brighter. Hang in there, stay strong. It does get better. And then it gets worse, and then it gets better again. Sigh.

    I wanted to react to this: when he said “because I wanted to look at real women” – I know how our crushed betrayed souls pull us into wanting to make it about us, how he wanted to see real women ‘other than you’ is the first thing that comes to your mind… but in the sick mind of an addict this is really not about you (which, I remember oh so well sounds even more painful – why wasn’t it ever about me? why wasn’t he even thinking of me when he chose to act out?! one of the many dichotomies on this journey). My guess would be he meant “because I wanted to look at real women, not only the fake pornstars”. He was moving his addiction from porn-land to real-land – a big (bad) milestone for addicts. It normalises what they do, in a weird twisted way. Joins real world to phantasy. You were never inside this box, you never could be. It’s like a video game for them. Totally separate from real life (they don’t realise that it is part of real life, that it is in fact ruining real life of so many). This high level of compartmentalisation is very far from what I could ever truly understand or internalise, but it has been my experience reading hundreds and hundreds of stories, that the comparison is never to us spouses (and while this is painful, it has a huge benefit, too: it is the single most powerful proof that it was never your fault, none of it). You could have been a 20-year old playboy model with no baggage of kids/mom-in-grief/household/etc. and with all the time on your hand to satisfy him continuously at his will, he would go out to chase the mystery material that would fill the gaping hole inside him.

    But guess what: you are strong, you are beautiful, and you will totally get through this, coming out even stronger and wiser on the other side.

  2. The man I am married to says that he believes people who get that close are basically ready to or already crossing that line in some other way. Meaning- I was discussing with him the collecting/contacting/toying with phase and the actual appt phase- and he said there’s not much stopping one from crossing the line. The pics the discussion the setting of appts is pretty much all that is needed to make the next step happen. For him he was already performing the betrayal so the actual meet up was just… a tiny step on top of the many yards past the line.

    How sure are you that husband didn’t cross the line? Does it matter?

    1. Hey CR… good to hear from you. Fortunately, because of the polygraph, I’m assured that I know the extent of Handsome’s physical acting out. That said, had he not been exposed when he was, this is exactly the kind of behavior that would likely have gotten worse. I fully agree that once you’re exchanging photos and texting -however briefly- that you’re already way down that slippery slope.

  3. I could give you a really great challenge to being the world’s most ill-informed spouse of a sex addict. I have never heard the terms pic collecting or eye stalking. My counsellor has more than once told me I have been naive in my marriage. So I often still question whether my naivete lingers. And what makes that such a bad thing anyways.

    1. Hi Cynthia. I have most definitely been naive. I knew nothing of these terms or what they entailed. Lesson learned. While I knew what a burner phone is, I thought they were the paraphernalia of criminals, not men like Handsome. Lesson learned again. And on, and on.

      Really though, we shouldn’t HAVE to know these things. That my world view includes more darkness and depravity as a result of Handsome’s SA is, I think, sad and unfortunate and just more evidence of the collateral damage the addiction causes.

      I’m not sure it helps, but I try to counter each new bit of ugliness with something good. Maybe some self-care or a kind deed for someone else or just something nice for a colleague. It’s my way of trying to restore balance in my own universe.

      ❤️

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