When Handsome returned from Sierra Tucson he initially maintained contact with about 10 people he met in the program. As of today, almost a year later, that number has been pared to 3 or 4 guys and the contact is much less frequent than it was six months ago. I predict that a year from now it will be down to one or two contacts, if he’s lucky.
There were and are some good folks in that mix. I’ve met two in person. There was one man, however, that Handsome seemed to put a lot of stock in. I’ll call him the Dude. He was (by his account) a very successful business person with a string of ex wives and a laundry list of homes and companies. The Dude went to ST to address his alcohol abuse and other process addictions. He seemed, post rehab, to be really good at dishing out questionable advice while – from what I could glean – his own life was spiraling out of control again.
Handsome shared his anxiety about the full disclosure with this guy. I think he was actually looking for support. What the Dude said to him was, “Why don’t you just draw her a map to divorce court? That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. You’re an idiot if you go through with it.” With those words, the Dude ended any possibility of Handsome doing a disclosure and triggered what would turn into a months-long stand off in our already strained marriage.
Shortly after that conversation the Dude’s life blew up quite spectacularly. He and Handsome haven’t spoken since then, but the damage was already done. The Dude planted the seeds of paranoia that the CSAT and I were teaming up against Handsome, that Handsome’s Doc #2 didn’t know what he was doing, and that I was using Handsome’s guilt to try to gain a strategic advantage in the marriage for an inevitable divorce.
It was all crap, of course. As of today, 8 months later, Handsome sees that. He also sees that the Dude wasn’t someone who he should have listened to on marital or recovery advice. Lesson learned for him. He has thoughts about why he gave this guy so much credence, but in the moment he went all in on the Dude’s advice.
It’s a lesson learned for me too. Handsome is an adult with free will, but he’s also more vulnerable to the influence of other people than almost anyone else I know. He is not a “pleaser” per se but I do see that he forum shops. If Doc #2 or the CSAT tell him something he doesn’t really like he’ll float it past his somatic experiencing therapist to see if she agrees or disagrees. Fortunately, she’s onto him about that so she can and does nip it in the bud.
This forum shopping occurred all the time during the three+ years where he was acting out with affair partners during our marriage. For example, he and I agreed on getting our daughter a cell phone on her birthday. We were in full agreement and started shopping. Days later, he came back with a laundry list of reasons why we shouldn’t get her a phone and how we’d be awful parents if we did. At the time, it was just mentally exhausting. I couldn’t figure out why he kept flip flopping his positions. I didn’t know about the third person in our marriage. I now see the tremendous influence the Flame had on him and, perhaps, how she used that influence to stir the pot in our marriage.
Handsome does recognize a lot of this. It’s challenging for him though to really acknowledge how much influence others have had on him, let alone how harmful some of that influence has been on our marriage. It’s challenging for him to see that he was often given awful advice and that occasionally the people advising him had ulterior motives. Handsome is well liked but has few close friends. With friends like the Dude and the Flame though, who needs enemies?
I know your title question is rhetorical, but of course the answer is no one. When BE was in the throes of his addiction, I know he didn’t take the other woman(women) seriously and did not connect the two lives, i.e…., taking their/her advice and whatnot. He’s an elitist and he definitely wasn’t choosing these women for their CV attributes. He used them as a drug. I know when he bitched to her about me not letting him go to rehab for his aching hip (before discovery/before surgery) because it was too expensive (ridiculous), or I didn’t believe him, or whatever (total lies and still makes me fume) and she invited her (male) masseuse friend over to help BE out, he was horrified. Horrified that she had taken something he said (a lie) and acted on it, because, he was LYING. And that she exposed a friend to him. Their relationship was a secret, right? (joke’s on him).
Anyway, sorry I’m venting. This addiction of theirs, or however we all want to classify it, is brutal on the loyal and loving family that didn’t do a damn thing to create or encourage said addiction. And then, once they are exposed, diagnosed, whatever, they will glom on to any advice given that is not coming from us. I honestly felt like a broken record for months (years?) trying to figure out how I became the bad guy.
With us, most of the post discovery advice was coming from the sponsor/12 step friends, who are still his very good friends. Some of the advice was good as it related to BE and even our communication, but some was not appropriate for me. This would be the situation where BE would know me (partner of 30 years back then) and take what was useful and leave what wasn’t… thinking of my needs too. Nope, he took any little bit of advice that would help him avoid uncomfortable situations for himself.
He is STILL working on this and will forever be doing that because he is selfish and self-centered. I have had to acknowledge his shortcomings (dishonesty, selfishness, attention deficit, belligerence, etc… ) and determine for myself whether the relationship still works. Some weeks it’s day by day, some weeks/months even, we are in sync. Covid hasn’t helped as I need more away/alone time, but that hasn’t been practical. So, I guess with BE, the outside advice wasn’t so much influence in a guidance kind of way, but in fact an excuse he used to get out of awkward situations. Kind of sounds like Handsome may have done that with The Dude as he should have been able to discern the guy wasn’t so great at marriage? Really glad things are better for you these days. xo
Gosh darn WordPress just coughed up a bunch of comments, including yours. Grrr…
Things are pretty consistently good for us right now. Not perfect, but actually good, for an extended period of time. The peace has been lovely.
I know Handsome forum shops. Add to that that he’s surprisingly suggestible. It’s frustrating, but I’m aware of it and now I know to try to drill down to the issue of who is behind any craziness. I just still find it amazing that the Dude’s comment – and the resulting fallout from Handsome – literally almost led to our divorce. Yes, Handsome surely was looking for an “out” to avoid the discomfort of the disclosure, and this was what he latched onto. Thank heavens he eventually got his head straight again.